Debate: Mens rights V. Womens rights

[Yllarius]

There is a black male and a white Female. They have a date during the day and wind up at the female's house. At the ladies house they converse and what not, things start getting romantic and heated. Before anything occurred the female blurts out she wants this man to impregnate her. The male strictly refuses. Later somehow, the Female gets a hold of a sample of the male's sperm. although the never took part in the action of intercourse. So they never had sex.

The women then takes the sperm and impregnates herself. The male finds out about this, enraged he goes to court. The male then sues the female and wants the court to force the female to abort the child.

My arguments are that the male has been faulted and does deserve for the court to rule in his favor. But in the women's defense it is against the law to force this women to take part in an abortion in her body.

Debate.

[Bharune]

I agree that the male has been faulted, but a female shouldn't be forced to abort a child that she wants for any reason. If nothing else, they should simply rule that the male doesn't have to pay child support or have anything to do with the baby. If it was that important, he should've been more careful with his sperm (not that it's so easy to happen across sperm and impregnant oneself).

That's like saying if a woman sues a male for attempted rape or sexual harrassment, the court should force him to be castrated.

[Yllarius]

I agree with everything but your last comment. If a woman is forced to abort her baby, she can still have other children, but if a man is castrated he cannot.

In my view on abortion period, is that the female has the choice to abort ultimately, but if the male wishes he can sever all ties with the child so that it's no longer claimed as his own, effectivly destroying child support ect. He would have to sign a waiver of consent, which would be documented for further usage (legalities.) and can only be removed if the man, and woman agree.

[Bharune]

I thought you might pose that argument, but it's still a big thing to make a woman abort a baby, especially when there's so many conflicts about whether it should be legal and is morally acceptable.

Seems we're mostly in agreement, tho...

[simonmagwitch]

Note: As with most debates I take part in, these may or may not be my actual views on the subject. I merely intend to argue a point for the sake of arguing, so I may take up either end of the debate.

That said. the male might not be too thrilled about having his genetics passed on, regardless of financial responsibilities. It's his sperm being used, so he should have an equal decision whether or not to abort. If the woman had been falsely impregnated, would she not be allowed to make the decision to abort on her own? Would she require permission from a rapist, or from her husband even?

I would rule that she should be charged with something akin to rape, though most likely to a greatly reduced degree... She effectively violated him and his rights by (however she did it) stealing his sperm... She shouldn't have to abort the child, but the child -should- be taken away from her upon birth if she decides to follow through with the pregnancy. She's already demonstrated poor decision making skills to a degree that calls into question her mental faculties.

Also, is this a case study? If not, what do the racial characteristics you gave have to do with anything?

[Yllarius]

It's not, this is copy/pasted for the most part. I just like hearing everyone's opinion.

I agree, I am, in the end, prochoice. Not only because of the responsibility, but there are so many people in the world, we're going to the nutster. I also think that aborted fetus' should, be used to stim cell research, I believe there's nothing wrong in that. People argue ethics so much, my opinion is that there are no ethics. There is no good and bad. We developed them.in order to protect the weaker. But in the end, you can't change people that much, we're still beasts on the inside.

I know I strayed from the topic. >.>

[simonmagwitch]

Yeah, I'm totally Pro-Choice as well, but who's choice is it in this case? What was the eventual verdict in the case if there has even been a verdict yet?